ResultsMayDiffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:34 am
fyi they're still collecting millions a year. To this day is still dreaming up "cool new ideas" to lure in new sales. This
is deception. Rarely if ever do these get called out as bull because they've sucked out all the air from objective discussion and have the entire community
trained to shout down skeptical viewpoints.
You can't prove it's a deception unless there are actual records of Mr. Roberts and his merry band of wasteful morons getting together and deciding to make selling virtual spaceships and empty promisses the core of their business model. If there are no internal documents nor testimonies that prove beyond any shade of doubt that it was a scam from the start, or became a scam at some point during the development, then they would always come on top because 'we understood that some practices might not have been to the liking of some people, but we did it to continue the development of the game'. And they surely as Hell have enough code, graphical and sound assets to prove it.
Now, they all probably understand that their PR is outright predatory, and it becomes morally questionable since game is not explicitly for adults, and teenagers can easily get excited and go to such lengths as stealing money to pay for a virtual spaceship, but in most cases it's willing, consenting adults spending their money while they could have not. You cant't shift the responsibility from the person who makes the final decision - i.e. the guy with the credit card code - to the company that dangles the carrot (the gingerbread, if you are Russian...why would anyone want to jump for a carrot??? Gingerbread, on the other hand...yes please!).
If you really want to deal with predatory PR, you should probably start with the Coca-Cola company and all the tobacco companies, they bloody deserved that.
Otherwise, this moral outrage is just biased and, quite honestly, rather silly.
ResultsMayDiffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:34 am
At least Josh acknowledged risks, challenges, setbacks, mistakes, and had the foresight not to keep taking money. Chris Roberts lies all the time,
has not once apologized, and leads what many believe is a concerted effort to mislead.
not to keep taking money
taking
He didn't
start taking money. He did a Kickstarter - i.e. took money just once, and there was no further funding of any kind apart from his own financial reserves (which he promptly burned through) after that.
Josh can be held to the highest standard of honesty and humility here. He always communicated with us as with a collection of individuals (when he
was communicating, granted
), and was always coming from his personal perspective. CIG, from the very beginning, operated as a mostly-faceless corporate entity, and we were an equally faceless target audience.
Survivor of the Josh Parnell Blackout of 2015.